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As I pointed to you several months ago the term "Haitian Slaves" is anachronistic and oxymoronic, Haiti came about because the ex-slaves of St-Domingue refused to be reenslaved. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6971823835434059276.post-63540122347753300242013-04-19T06:22:21.558-07:002013-04-19T06:22:21.558-07:00"But, you'd be a fool to dismiss the conn..."But, you'd be a fool to dismiss the connection between disease and conquest." Ron where have I done that? I simply object to the nonsense that the French were felled by yellow fever because that strikes me as putting the cart before the horse. We know that blacks aren't immune to that disease anymore than whites. Again, the French under General Richepanse defeated the free people of Guadeloupe and restored slavery on that island after murdering 10% of the population there. Richepanse died of yellow fever shortly after his feat of heroism. Your example of Philadelphia buttresses my case. I don't think that Washington would have survived the outbreak of yellow fever by going to the mountains if the blacks of Philadelphia had risen and burned the town, he might have died of yellow fever campaigning against the insurgent slaves. I'm not asking you to turn your blog into a Haitian history blog, but I do think that there are enough English sources on the ties between Haitians and African Americans dating back from the beginning of both nations to tell an interesting story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6971823835434059276.post-87959746616293575712013-04-19T03:56:43.335-07:002013-04-19T03:56:43.335-07:00{{The certifiable badass who defeated the French w...{{The certifiable badass who defeated the French was Dessalines not L'Ouverture. The French army was defeated because L'Ouverture wisely resisted Leclerc's army by burning a lot of the main towns and destroying everything that the French could make use of.}}<br /><br />I agree. As I posted in an earlier comment, the Haitian Revolution is way too large of a topic for a blog post. It's more like a 300-500 page PhD dissertation, rather than a 5 paragraph essay. If you take the time to peruse this blog, you'll find very little on Haiti, because the topic is too large and I'm not a Francophone (French speaker).<br /><br />But, you'd be a fool to dismiss the connection between disease and conquest. Perhaps there aren't enough books written on the subject, but microorganisms have defeated more nations than guns and bombs. You can't even broach the subject of the island of Haiti without a conscious awareness that it was inhabited by hundreds of thousands of Native Taino and Arawak Indians. The Spanish Conquistadors were some blood thirsty mother f*ckers, no doubt, but those nasty bastards brought a ship load of organism like smallpox, influenza, bubonic plague, mumps, measles, and a host of other nasties that the Native Indian immune system had no defense against. <br /><br />You just need to connect the historic dots when it comes to the outbreak of Yellow Fever. Remember many French ex-pats escaping from the Haitian Revolution landed in the USA. One of the places where a large number of French refugees along with their Haitian slaves disembarked was in Philadelphia. Without one gun fired, the Haitian Revolutionaries were able to depopulate over 10% of one of the nation's largest cities by the microorganisms that cause Yellow Fever. The epidemic depopulated Philadelphia: 5,000 out of a population of 45,000 died, <br /><br />The physicians at that time wrongly thought that black people were immune to Yellow Fever. The black congregations of Richard Allen's AME Church, Mother Bethel along with Absalom Jones church nursed and took care of the whites in Philadelphia. And you already know how they were thanked by the good white people of Philadelphia for their efforts ... with the middle finger. <br /><br />--Ron Edwards, US Slave Blog Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10711403108940797592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6971823835434059276.post-70014293752562022022013-04-18T22:31:08.217-07:002013-04-18T22:31:08.217-07:00" The motto of the French Revolution was Libe..." The motto of the French Revolution was Liberté, égalité, fraternité or Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. None of those sentiments can be reconciled with slavery." Ron, name me a single member of the French Assembly who advocated freedom for the slaves in French colonies as an immediate task of the revolution. The French commissioners, Sonthonax and Polverel, who decreed the abolition of slavery on St-Domingue were initially sent to unite the whites, mulattoes and free blacks against the slaves. I'm surprised that you are so impressed by mottos, Who wrote more eloquently of freedom than that slave owner known as Thomas Jefferson? Funny how yellow fever is dragged in to explain the French defeat, how come yellow fever failed to stop the French from conquering Guadeloupe? The certifiable badass who defeated the French was Dessalines not L'Ouverture. The French army was defeated because L'Ouverture wisely resisted Leclerc's army by burning a lot of the main towns and destroying everything that the French could make use of. The Russians used a similar approach when Bonaparte invaded Russia. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6971823835434059276.post-91213563974374208092013-04-18T17:57:58.287-07:002013-04-18T17:57:58.287-07:00Thanks for the tips, I'll post something.
As...Thanks for the tips, I'll post something. <br /><br />As far as the French Revolution is concerned, you can't negate either the timelines: The French Revolution (1789) vs. The Haitian Revolution (1791). The motto of the French Revolution was Liberté, égalité, fraternité or Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity. None of those sentiments can be reconciled with slavery. <br /><br />Although Toussaint L'Ouverture was a certifiable badass, the outbreak of Yellow Fever along with the French Military's woolen uniforms in the Tropic of Cancer didn't hurt their war efforts. Add to that the Reign of Terror with the power vacuum after the overthrow of the monarchical rule and the subsequent beheading of thousands of the French Aristocracy. In other words, the ripen fruit of liberty was ready to be picked.<br /><br />--Ron Edwards, US Slave BlogRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10711403108940797592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6971823835434059276.post-51417762399567828182013-04-18T15:51:43.490-07:002013-04-18T15:51:43.490-07:00Ron, I forgot to add another interesting individua...Ron, I forgot to add another interesting individual's name to my last comment. You could do a post on the life of Prince Saunders an African American Henry Christophe hired to implement universal education in his kingdom circa 1815. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Saunders. These people should be better known, otherwise, we end up with the sad tale of blacks devoid of the capacity to help themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6971823835434059276.post-79957790257027827532013-04-18T15:19:15.893-07:002013-04-18T15:19:15.893-07:00Ron, There's only one way to tackle a big subj...Ron, There's only one way to tackle a big subject, that is to do it one bit at the time. You could start by doing some posts on such unknown or little known black freedom fighters such as Dona Beatriz Kimpa Vita:http://www.amazon.com/Kongolese-Saint-Anthony-Antonian-1684-1706/dp/0521596491/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1366322488&sr=1-1&keywords=Dona+Beatriz+Kimpa+Vita.<br />Makandal, and Boukman. Galeano is good but his claim that the "French Revolution" freed the slave leaves out the greater role that blacks played to free themselves. Did you know that the Kongo kingdom converted to Catholicism circa 1506?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6971823835434059276.post-45215113426368845352013-04-18T14:43:51.663-07:002013-04-18T14:43:51.663-07:00Thanks for your comment. Haiti is way too deep fo...Thanks for your comment. Haiti is way too deep for a simple blog post. The history of Haiti and the USA are tidally locked, we Americans are just ignorant on how important to our expansion (the Louisiana Purchase), the potability of our water supply (Philadelphia Yellow Fever Pandemic), the insignificance of the French Military powers interfering with the trade and formation of our country (the Haitian's defeat of Napoleon), the Napoleon defeat at Waterloo kept the British and the French Military tied-up while Andrew Jackson made a powerful land-grab of the southern states (soon to be cotton states) from the Indians that expanded the USA to the Gulf Shore. It's just way too much to explain, since most of Americans don't know Jack about history. <br /><br />I'll have to admit full disclosure. This post let me combine two of my favorites: The writings of Eduardo Galeano and Haitian art. Eduardo Galeano is one of my favorite wrtiers, I just wish he'd publish more stuff in English. I use Google Translate, but it never captures the subtleties of his prose. After all Google Translate is just a computer program, it can't possibly translate nuance and irony. <br /><br />As far as Haitian art is concerned, I'm a total fan. Why does that small, impoverished island produce some of the best art in the hemisphere. It's paradoxical, for sure. <br /><br />--Ron Edwards, US Slave BlogRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10711403108940797592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6971823835434059276.post-16990701312173780582013-04-18T12:03:31.399-07:002013-04-18T12:03:31.399-07:00Ron, Nice to see you take up the most successful r...Ron, Nice to see you take up the most successful resistance to slavery. I don't agree that slavery was abolished with the founding of Haiti, that feat was accomplished in 1791 when the slaves of the northern plain rose up en masse. The "French Revolution" tried to suppress the uprising and failed to do so. "the French Revolution" did manage to murder Boukman, the original leader of the slaves. "the French Revolution" came around to the idea of emancipating the slaves only after the French hold on the colony became so tenuous that rallying the insurgent blacks to "the French Revolution" side became the only way to maintain French control there. The idea that post independence Haiti was totally devastated is a bit of a fiction. After the murder of the Founder of the Haitian Nation Jean-Jaques Dessalines in 1806, the nation was split into as many as three independent states, nonetheless, in 1807, Henry Christophe's kingdom in the north was able to carry on trade with the UK valued at £1,200,000 or $6,616,560,000 in 2011 dollars. The southern side was able to finance Bolivar, as Galeano states in his article. French pressure on Haiti was resisted for over two decades. Massive forts were built in preparation for the battle expected when the French would try again to return as masters, hell, Christophe even had a French agent executed for daring to come to his kingdom claiming that Haiti owed France something. After Christophe's death The Haitians lost their love of freedom and acquiesced to pay blackmail. When Haiti was ruled by Dessalines and Christophe the nation's motto was liberty or death after these giants died it was whatever you say boss. The only thing we Haitians have to remind us of the heroic age that came to a close with the fall of Christophe's kingdom is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadelle_Laferri%C3%A8reAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com